Podcast #160 Ann Louise Gittleman - The Importance of Bile Will Blow Your Mind

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New York Times bestselling author Ann Louise Gittleman is highly respected as a health pioneer, weight-loss expert, and award-winning author of thirty books, including The Fat Flush Plan and her latest book Eat Fat, Lose Weight: How Smart Fats reset metabolism, stress, hunger and sex hormones for lasting weight loss and radiant health.

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Today we discuss

  • Lead poisoning and the fall of the Romans
  • How healthy fats actually help you detox
  • The truth about bile and toxicity
  • How to support liver health
  • Losing weight is effortless with good fats
  • My new ADAPT product

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Evan Brand: Hello, welcome back! We’re with Ann Louise Gittleman. We’re gonna jump right

into her new book which is amazing in the sense that there’s no B.S. It gets straight to the point.

It’s like: `Look, here’s what you need to do, do it. Here’s even some recipes to help you do it. So,

you have no excuses not to do it’. [It’s] called “Eat Fat, Lose Weight: How Smart Fats Reset

Metabolism, Stress, Hunger and Sex Hormones for Lasting Weight Lost and Radiant Health”.

Hello, Ann! Welcome back!

Ann Louise Gittleman: Hi, Evan! Good to be with you.

Evan Brand: Yes, Ma’am! So, last time, we talked about copper toxicity and it was an awesome

geeky topic.

Ann Louise Gittleman: (laughs)

Evan Brand: [It’s] sort of the modern-day fall of the Romans [and] how they, basically,

destroyed their population with lead and how we are, sort of, doing the same with copper. But,

now, we are tuning our dials a little bit back into this diet picture because people still don’t

have it dialed in and they need to get it dialed in.

Ann Louise Gittleman: Yes, indeed. I agree with you. There’s a little bit of a similarity, if I can

draw that little bridge, in terms of the “Eat Fat, Lose Weight” and that is without the right fat

we’re going to go to [the] route of the Romans because fat is so integral to weight loss, to heart

disease, to the immune system, to diabetes, to cancer, to the skin, the nails, and allergies, and

so forth. So, if you’re not eating the right kind of fat then it will be a downward health cycle for

almost all your bodily systems because fat is truly the macronutrient that is essential. There is

no other nutrients that you can say that about, Evan.

Evan Brand: So, what year did you figure that out?

Ann Louise Gittleman: Before you were born, my friend. (laughs)

Evan Brand: (laughs)

Ann Louise Gittleman: I figured it out when I was the Director of Nutrition at the Pritikin

Longevity Center which was way back – and I’m only kidding, maybe not in 1980 – and I wrote

a book “Beyond Pritikin” which was called “A Total Nutrition Program for Weight Lost Longevity

and Good Health”. I took the old Pritikin program, which was based on `no fat-low fat, high

complex carbohydrate’, and I turned it around using helpful essential fats and lower

carbohydrate intake to make a guide to the essential fats. I talked about how carbohydrates,

when they were imbalanced, stimulated insulin production which promoted the storage of

body fats – that sounds familiar, doesn’t it? – and how you need certain fat burning nutrients to

boost the body’s ability to burn fat. That was also the place that I introduced a new program

called the “Two-Week Fat Flush” which became a book in it of itself, my best-selling book,

which helped detoxify the body and jumpstart weight lost. So, fats were back way back in the

1980’s and whatever I wrote about back then was very *untypical(5:22) to the ‘no fat- low fat,

high complex carbohydrate’ diet model but I was finding that people that did without fat only

got sicker in terms of immunity, but, they also begun to develop obvious auto immune

situations like fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue, as well as allergies. So, as far as I was

concerned, fat was the nutrient that shouldn’t have been demonized, we just didn’t understand

it. And, we had to get rid of the carbohydrate including a lot of the grains that stimulated insulin

and, therefore, fat promotion. So, I turned all that on its head and it was a very unpopular

stance at that point. But, I think I’ve been vindicated because the latest study suggests that fat

is back. Number one, that’s it is not the maligned nutrient, or the demonized nutrients, that we

thought in terms of heart disease as well as cholesterol. So, all of that has been revived. You

can eat fat, you can lose weight but you have to be able to digest it and utilize it and that’s

really the key to what I bring to the table in “Eat Fat, Lose Weight”.

Evan Brand: That’s a good point. So, let’s break that down a little bit. So many people – I’ve

never tested anyone that does not have some level of adrenal dysfunction or full blown adrenal

fatigue. So, can we talk about that [and] how that can inhibit your future thyroid and mess up

this whole process of optimal digestion?

Ann Louise Gittleman: Yeah. We know that the thyroid is internally connected with the

adrenal. The two are, kind of, a tag team. And, sometimes it’s adrenal exhaustion which is the

precipitating factor when people have thyroid issues. But, what we have found – I don’t know

the exact connection [but] there is a very interesting mechanism at work here – is that when

people develop hypothyroidism or issues connected with their thyroid, very frequently, they’ll

have their gall bladder out. And so, there is a connection with the way in which your body

metabolizes fats, which is the actual purpose of the bile that your gall bladder stores and then

secretes when your body needs to breakdowns fat or any other kind of food, but mostly fat. For

some reason or another, when you’re not breaking down those fats properly then perhaps you

start to exhibit fatty acid deficiency or even saturated fatty acid deficiency whereby vitamin A,

D, E and K are not broken down sufficiently and you are not getting all the nutrients that you

need. So, there is that connection number one. And, fats also are [a] very important area

because they stabilize blood sugar. Unlike carbohydrates or even proteins, fats are the most

important blood sugar stabilizing agent. So , if you don’t have enough in your diet, or the right

kind that your body can break down because you don’t have enough bile, then you’re not

gonna be having all of the wonderful qualities that fat can provide. And, in terms of digestion,

everybody needs bile to breakdown fat. So, if you don’t have a gall bladder, you need to be

taking some of the bile nutrients that I suggest to break down fat and also to detoxify because

without sufficient bile, your body does not have a mechanism. It’s almost like a transport

system that the liver uses to dump all of its toxins. So, bile is important because it breaks down

fats and it also removes toxins from the body. I think we’ve forgotten that it’s something that

Evan may have talked about many, many years ago at the turn of the century when all of the

original healthy pioneers were talking about health. They talked about promoting better bile

production and you and I know that nobody is talking about bile. As far as I’m concerned, bile is

your best friend when it comes to weight lost and overall health.

Evan Brand: That’s amazing! So, does that even trump optimal hydrochloric (HCL) acid

production if we go upstream into the stomach a little bit?

Ann Louise Gittleman: Well, here’s the deal. If you don’t have enough HCL, you’re not gonna

be triggering the gall bladder to release bile. So, they go hand in hand. It’s another tag team.

You’re very bright, you’re very intuitive, here because the two go hand in hand. So, you need

the right amount of HCL to trigger that release of the bile – you need the two. A lot of people,

when they get to a certain age, they don’t produce enough hydrochloric acid, therefore, they’re

not producing enough bile and then that fat can actually – it, kind of, putrefies in the system.

So, you need both of them, quite frankly, and it’s very easy to get your HCL up to snuff if you

take a little bit of beets which have betaine – some HCL in it of itself - and a little bit of vinegar

and water or even some were using bile salt in terms of helping the bile production. If you don’t

have enough salt or you don’t have enough zinc, or enough B1, or even iodine, you don’t make

enough HCL. So, there are a lot of other nutrients that are needed in this whole connection.

Evan Brand: Right, yeah. Not to mention the previous history of acid blockers and other

prescription that people may have had. So, for me, I always start with 1, 2 punch of the

supporting gall bladder and supporting HCL production for all my clients. I find that it’s most

impactful thing to really get things moving, figuratively and literally, here.

Ann Louise Gittleman: Well, that’s brilliant because most practitioners don’t do that. You

actually need the 2, but nobody talks about the gall bladder. We even take it out. They are

about half a million gall bladder surgeries a year. When you take out your gall bladder you have

a very even digestion of fat going on. The amount of bile that your body is, therefore, producing

doesn’t always match the amount of fat that you’re taking in so that fat just goes un-

metabolized. You can develop a little fatty ring around your liver, that love handles that people

develop and so forth, and you’re not detoxified. So, all of that is so important and that’s why I

like the bile salt. I talk about some of the nutrients that people need in “Eat Fat, Lose Weight”:

the betaine, as I mentioned, which is so very high in beets. Lecithin, which is an unknown

quantity these days – we used to put lecithin all the time in our smoothies because * ….(11:25)

the bile, as well as lemon juice, taurine, and choline, which is very important to de-fat the liver.

All of that I promote in “Eat Fat, Lose Weight” as well as some of the supplements and the

foods that you can take that get some of these very important fat promoting [and] fat burning

and bile-making nutrients in your diet.

Evan Brand: Good stuff. So, a lot of people that are listening, they’re tuned in to this 1% of

optimal health already. So, I think sometimes we forget what is existing in our country and on

the planet – outside of our little healthy bubble. We assume – because all of our friends and

colleagues and all of the podcasts and authors we listen to are getting these health stuff dialed

in that the rest of the world is not. And, you put a lot of good five key points that we need to hit

on that talks about how sick we are. So I’m gonna read through those real quick: One, being

65% of the population is now obese. Adult-onset diabetes has more than tripled in the last 30

years. The incidents of certain kinds of heart disease is increased. Depression is widespread

epidemic. And, even now, I saw recently, Ann, the CDC – they’re saying that depression is, now,

the number 1 leading cause of disability in the United States.

Ann Louise Gittleman: Oh, my goodness! And that’s because we’ve been fat-free and loading

up on sugar and grain. That’s awful. We can certainly turn that around with your help, Evan.

Evan Brand: So, then, lastly, you write here that new health problems appeared out of

nowhere. So, chronic fatigue, food and environmental sensitivities, leaky gut syndrome, yeast,

mold infections, autoimmune issues. You’ve seen a huge change. And, I’m assuming, an

exponential increase in this stuff even since you started talking about health some time ago.

Ann Louise Gittleman: Yes, because you never saw the kind of diseases that people are coming

down with. From rheumatoid arthritis to MS to the autoimmune problem [and] all the kinds of

– I [even] see some Hashimoto’s. We just never saw that back then. So, I think that eating fat

[and] losing weight being able to digest it absorbs it, dissimilate it, is really key with this whole

message. And, let’s not forget, that the right kind and the right amount of fat really allows every

one of us to lose weight effortlessly and painlessly without being preoccupied with dieting. Fat

truly provides, I would say, the long-term satiety we all crave. I’ve seen how low-fat diets really

leads to persistent food craving and continuous hunger and even over eating which, of course,

turns to fat. So, adding, not subtracting, enough of the smart fast to the diet is one of the key

ways in combination with a little exercise to attain and maintain normal weight. So, it goes far

beyond obesity in terms of what does ‘no fat, low-fat’ diet craze has precipitated. And, of

course, that diabetes level that has just skyrocketed since we’ve been ‘no fat, low-fat’ is huge

and even ADD and ADHD and all of these brain situations that we’re speaking about – the

depression, the anxiety, and the nervous system, the sleeplessness – all of that is unnecessary if

we’re taking the right kind of fat. So, it is a key nutrient [and] it shouldn’t be demonized, it

shouldn’t be maligned, it should be elevated. Time magazine, a little while back, had a big, big

picture of butter on their cover, I’ll never forget it, and I was so elated because it was like butter

is finally back. Well, yeah, but it’s not just butter, it’s also these other smart fats that our body

needs in terms of the mucous membrane, in terms of your ability to ward off allergies, in terms

of beautiful skin, hair, and nails. There’s so much that we can do just by taking a little bit of the

right fat daily, whether you pop it into a smoothie, whether you put it on your grain-free bread,

whether you put a little butter or ghee or even coconut oil or the newest kid in town *will make

a 7 oils (15:25) [and] you put that in your baked potatoes or your baked sweet potato. There’s

so much you can do. There’s just no reason that we should have any of these disorders in our


Evan Brand: I totally agree. So, let’s talk about CLA a little bit. This is a fun one, conjugated

linoleic acid. Now, this is in butter [and] so people are already getting it. But, I’ve used it and

several women [say] `I want health to be the main priority and weight loss be a side effect’ but,

truth is, supplementing CLA is incredible for body fat. So, can you talk about that a little bit?

Ann Louise Gittleman: Yeah! I’m happy to. CLA is this magical bullet. It’s almost like a – how do

we say this? – It’s like a magic diet bullet that interferes with the way in which your body is able

to breakdown fats by, somehow, interfering with the lipase mechanism, which is the fat

digestive enzyme. And, we found years and years ago when people were eating – and this was

back until the late 1970’s – we were all eating grass-fed beef. So, that meant butter was very

high in CLA, it meant our cream was high in CLA, and even our meat was high in CLA. And, after

that, we started feeding all of our cattle grains rather than grass, and so, the CLA content in the

diet went downwards. Ever since then, we’ve been gaining weight steadily. So, you need your

CLA because it seems to be very important at targeting critical fatty acid in the omega 6 family

that targets belly fat, abdominal fat, and I have seen near miracles with that. Of all the ones

that I write about, it’s the one I’ve had a lot of experience with because I used to go on the road

with my “Eat Fat, Lose Weight” message and people would start taking a 1000mg – It’s 1 gram

three times a day with meals – and within a very short time they will lose weight effortlessly. I

had a wonderful gal that was disabled, she was in a wheelchair, and she just had a wonderful,

wonderful spirit. She said to me, “You know, I can’t exercise but do you think this would help

me lose weight?” and I said, “Let’s try it out and see!” And, within six days, that’s less than a

week, she said she had lost about 3 inches around her waist and the only things she did was to

take CLA. So, whether that works with everybody as quickly, I can’t say. But, I do know that it

has a wonderful track record of really targeting that belly fat.

Evan Brand: That’s amazing! So, how much butter do you go through at your house?

Ann Louise Gittleman: Too much! (laughs)

Evan Brand: (laughs)

Ann Louise Gittleman: We go through quite a bit of butter. We have the [pasteurized] butter

and I put it just about on everything and it’s very, very, satisfying. When I’m hungry, there’s

nothing like a little butter and I’ll put it on a wheat-free cracker that I get – the Mary’s Gone

Crackers - [and] I’ll put a little bit on there and I just crave it. Sometimes I mix it with some

flaxseed oil, high lignan flaxseed oil. So, I get the best of both worlds, so to speak. We go

through an awful lot and I go through a lot of high lignan flaxseed oil. I go through a lot of

macadamia nut oil which is what I use for high-heating. My latest craze is one here, Evan, that I

wrote about was the pine nut oil because it’s good for healing the digestive tract. For people

that have esophageal problems or that have been diagnosed with GERD (Gastroesophageal

reflux disease), this is one of the best things you can do to really heal your esophagus and

stomach lining.

Evan Brand: Wow! How do you use that?

Ann Louise Gittleman: It’s easy! You do 1 teaspoon before meals and it’s very, very delicious. I

use – I think I gave the name brand in the book – Siberian Tiger Naturals, as I recall. It is

magnificent! It’s very pine-nutty, they get their pine nuts from Siberia so I know that they are

not toxic as some of them can be if we get them from China. It’s delightful, it’s delicious, and so

healthy. It was amazing! I did research and I talked about some of these elements that are in

the pine nut oil that are very healing for the digestive tract. And, it really heals better than

anything that I’ve ever used with my clients, whether that’s been aloe or DGL

(Deglycyrrhizinated Licorice).

Evan Brand: Even better than those two?

Ann Louise Gittleman: Yeah! Quicker!

Evan Brand: Wow, that’s awesome!

Ann Louise Gittleman: Yeah, it’s amazing!

Evan Brand: Okay, I do want to talk about fluoride and bromide and chlorine a little bit. You put

here your number 9 tip to really get this thing going here – to boost your metabolism and heal

your thyroid – is to avoid these things like the plague. Now, I went on a tour here of my local

water company in Louisville, Kentucky. They rated it as one of the most, number 1, best tasting

tap waters in the country. The taste is incredible but I went through this entire tour and they

never talked about fluoridation and I knew that they fluoridated it. So, she said “Do you have

any questions?” and I said “Well, how does the fluoride process work?” Long story short,

basically, she was hesitant and reluctant to answer the question, but she did. [She said that] at

the end of the treatment process, right before it gets sent out into everyone’s tap, they bring in

a dump truck or two full of sodium fluoride and then they dump it in and stir it into the water

and then ‘Okay, two thumbs up, now, it’s ready to go out’. It blew my mind. Maybe we can talk

a little bit about fluoride. I’ve covered it before. You and I probably talked about it last time but

it never gets old.

Ann Louise Gittleman: I know, it never gets old. Unfortunately, it should get the heck out of

our water, in our toothpaste, and everything else that we’re putting in these days. It can

displace iodine in your thyroid. So, between the fluoride, the chlorides as well as the bromines,

we’ve got a problem because if you’re gonna be kicking out iodine from your thyroid, then

you’re gonna have a problem in terms of metabolism and your antibacterial effects of the

thyroid, which can really detoxify all incoming bacteria. So, what we need to do is to get a really

comprehensive water filtration system because you just never know what’s in your water. A lot

of these toxic elements, between you and me, Evan, go far beyond the fluorides, the chlorines,

and the bromides. You gotta get rid of the parasites and some of the radioactive waste that are

spilling into the water as well. So, I use the particular system from – shall I mention the name?

Evan Brand: Sure!

Ann Louise Gittleman: CWR. We get our system from CWR. I think if people call Uni-Key at 1-

800-888-4353. You can be in touch with somebody from Uni-Key, that’s my distribution center

that works directly with these people [that are] the water experts, and get a system that’s

customized for your own use – to get rid of the fluorides, bromides, and the chlorines. That’s

what I have been using to bathe in, to washing my hair in, and to drink in.

Evan Brand: So, this is a whole house filter. Is it reverse osmosis? Is this carbonation?

Ann Louise Gittleman: It’s everything! It’s reverse osmosis, it is ultraviolet. We’ve got UV and

then there is a special filtration system that’s made from ceramic with a very fine pore mesh

filter that can block the parasitic cyst. So, it’s everything that’s in your water – we’re gonna get

out of it. The other element that I just read about which I have known about in my water here

in Northern Idaho, is that a lot of water is loaded with uranium. And so, we just don’t want to

take the chance that, perhaps, radon could be getting into your system through the water

supply. So, you’ve got to do something to get rid of that little element as well, which is very,

very toxic.

Evan Brand: So, CWR – what does that stand for? So we can find it…

Ann Louise Gittleman: Clean Water Revival

Evan Brand: Okay, great!

Ann Louise Gittleman: Yeah. I think it’s a very cute title – Clean Water Revival. And, the head

of Clean Water Revival is a microbiologist. So, he has a PhD in microbiology and he has been on

top of all this for years. My home has a huge tank that, now, gets rid of the uranium because

we tested my water a little while ago [and they said] “Hey, I hate to tell you but you’ve got

uranium” and [I said] “Wow. We got out the fluoride, we got out the bromide, we got out the

chlorine and, now, you’re telling I’ve got uranium. What are we going to do?” And if I we have, I

know everybody else does too. Lo and behold! Right before our interview today, I read

somewhere in AOL that uranium is now found in the water supply in many, many locales in the

United States. So, it’s just one more thing to be aware of.

Evan Brand: Right. Dr. Roy – he seems like a good guest as well to talk about water…

Ann Louise Gittleman: Oh, he’ll be your best guest. He’s brilliant. Totally brilliant.

Evan Brand: So, something cool that you wrote on here is that 2-3mg of the trace mineral

boron can help neutralize fluoride. So, would you be just using some trace mineral drops and

adding that back to your water? How would you apply it?

Ann Louise Gittleman: I get, at least, 3 mg of boron on a daily basis. I developed a multiple that

I take. But, I am on the road so much [that] I need something in pill form. As far as I’m

concerned, that will kick out the fluoride. But, boron actually displaces fluoride so that’s a

pretty good little secret to know.

Evan Brand: Interesting! So, is it in the halide family? How does it do that?

Ann Louise Gittleman: It’s not a particular halide or halogen but it does have the ability in

terms of its chelating factor. And, there’s some interesting studies which I can forward to you –

I can’t put my hands on it right now – that discuss how important this is. Many medical doctors

that focus on integrated and functional medicine are actually using that amount of boron to get

rid of all kinds of fluoride. Some people use trace mineral test, they use *SpectraCell (25:13)

analysis, to figure out if your boron is low. We have used – what do we use? – Trace mineral

analysis, I believe. We use the hair because it’s non-invasive for people. We constantly find

boron is a low, low mineral. It’s one of the most sufficient in the body, isn’t that interesting?

And, if it can chelate fluoride then maybe that’s the reason it’s so low. It’s constantly trying to

do its job.

Evan Brand: Right! That’s incredible. So, you have a lot of stuff in your brain. You have so much

knowledge that we can easily just geek out on any subject.

Ann Louise Gittleman: (laughs) That’s a good one!

Evan Brand: But, if you were to dial yourself in and slow your brain down a little bit and you

were able to spit out three of the biggest pieces of the puzzle that people should be working on

or us as a civilization should be working on. What would those three be?

Ann Louise Gittleman: The three would be, number 1 – bile – you need to build better bile. It

is the key to breaking down all kinds of fats and it is the key to detoxification because bile is a

very potent antioxidant. In order to do that, you need to read “Eat Fat, Lose Weight” [and] get

those nutrients in your diet and make sure your liver is de-clogged of fats, which is why you

need 500mg of choline three times a day. So, that’s number one. And then, number two, I

would suggest that everybody starts to balance their adrenals and their thyroid and you can do

that with the right amount of fat and getting rid of gluten in the diet, which is very detrimental

to the thyroid hormone. And, to get certain types of probiotics which will actually make

glutathione, which will detoxify all the heavy metals that could be disrupting the thyroid

hormone as well, including mercury and copper. And, there’s a new one on the market that

essential formulas has just can’t come out with, which is the liver and detox, it’s a particular

glutathione-making probiotic which they have the exclusive rights to in this country; so you’ve

gotta take a look at that. And then, probably, number three would be that I think everybody

needs some CLA and some GLA (Gamma-linolenic acid) because those are the two most

efficient essential fatty acid when I do my fatty acid testing. So, that might mean 1g CLA three

times a day and maybe 360mg of GLA for beautiful skin, hair, and nails. No more diabetic

neuropathy, no more morning stiffness. And, it’s very, very helpful in terms of PMS,

perimenopause, and menopause. And, if you’re a female, you know what I mean.

Evan Brand: Yeah, that’s great! How do you stay inspired? This is the last question of the day.

How do you stay inspired? There’s so much stuff that we can focus on. You’ve seen the

degradation of the food supply in your lifetime. You’ve seen so many different things go wrong.

Is it just trying to pump out this information that keeps you up or do you have some type of

meditation practice? What’s your secret to not burning yourself out when you’re shouting this

stuff out at the rooftops?

Ann Louise Gittleman: (laughs) Well, that’s a good question. Let’s see, what keeps me

inspired? When I learn something or go through things myself – because it’s always enlightened

self-interest, Evan. That’s why we do what we do very often times – when I learn something

that I know is helpful for me, I just feel compelled. It’s almost like – I can’t quite explain it. I feel

motivated, compelled, I feel energized to have to share this with everybody else. And, I think

that the fat piece is so important. But, just as important is our lack of ability to digest and

metabolize that fat, which is also important as a detox tool. So, I wrote this book in about 1

month. I got up at 6 in the morning, went to bed at maybe 11 o’clock at night, and took very

few breaks and, in my age, that wasn’t an easy task. But, it was like ‘Well, if this can help one

person, if this can save somebody’s life, this can make a difference in their thyroid, and their

adrenals, and their ability to lose weight and get rid of some autoimmune diseases, then we’re

on the right track.’

Evan Brand: That’s beautiful. So, it came to you as a spark of lightning and then you just had to

throw it out on paper.

Ann Louise Gittleman: Yeah, yeah! And that’s how it comes.

Evan Brand: Wow.

Ann Louise Gittleman: And, now, I’m trying to regenerate after that 1 month of sleep and, as I

say, in my age – I’m 66 – I’m sitting at the computer and I’m not the most technologically

advanced person there is. But, it’s like – I can’t quite explain it. I think it’s like the hand of God.

Evan Brand: So, how many books have you written in total?

Ann Louise Gittleman: 30.

Evan Brand: Oh my god! So, do they all come like that? Because I’ve written 3.

Ann Louise Gittleman: No, no, they don’t. The only ones that come are the ones where I know

that there’s a message that I have to get out there. And, the ones that have come like this are

the first one, “Beyond Pritikin” – my million copies best-selling book – [and] “Fat Flush Plan”

which has been a huge hit for us and really talked about detox and what you need to do to

detoxify with the right fat, which is a similar message but not as updated as the “Eat Fat, Lose

Weight”. Those three, the same feeling.

Evan Brand: Oh my gosh. That’s amazing! Okay, I’m so glad to get that insider secret because I

have those moments and I need to look forward to those moments and when that happens,

that’s when you know. Because you’ve written some where it’s not as – you just can’t get it out

that quickly then, maybe …

Ann Louise Gittleman: No, no, no! But this comes from another place, it just…

Evan Brand: I totally understand.

Ann Louise Gittleman: It’s kind of – It’s very hard to put my finger on it. I call it the

*Shafina(31:08) [and] in Hebrew it means – it’s kind of like the Holy Spirit. It’s the only way I can

describe it because I can go without sleep. I wake up with ideas and I say `I have to do this’ and

it’s this divine destiny or something like that. So, I’m hopeful that this book will affect people

the way that it was intended to.

Evan Brand: That’s incredible! Definitely, we’ll put the link for people to go purchase that “Eat

Fat, Lose Weight”. You’re listening to Ann Louise Gittleman and this is for sale, currently?


Ann Louise Gittleman: Yes. In order to get it out as quickly as I need it to, we decided to

release in a Kindle format. But, if all goes well, there should be a ‘book’ book, a real book – a

hard cover – in February of 2016.

Evan Brand: Okay, so the nerds can download it now and the old school people can get in

February. That’s perfect!

Ann Louise Gittleman: (laughs) Well, I’m an old school person and actually you could download

even if you don’t have Kindle. You can download this on any device that you have, even your

PC, your laptop, or any other smartphone device or – what are they telling me – an android, an

iPad, a tablet, a nook, this and that. But, you can use that format for any device so don’t be

afraid of the Kindle. I don’t have a Kindle and neither do a lot of my followers but they’re still

downloading it.

Evan Brand: Perfect! Well, Ann, thank you so much for coming on. And, I look forward to talk

with you soon.

Ann Louise Gittleman: Yes, thank you, thank you so much for a wonderful interview.